ISA Ahmad Ismail? No way!

I read Malik Imtiaz’ blog and saw THIS:

The call by Gerakan Wanita to have Ahmad Ismail detained under the Internal Security Act must not be acceded to.

And I thought to myself, what did I miss?

So, looking for news on this matter, I found THIS:

“If he is not detained under the ISA, the black and bloody May 13 incident will recur as a consequence of Datuk Ahmad Ismail’s actions,” – Tan Lian Hoe, Chief of Wanita Gerakan

The police have already conducted investigations under the Sedition Act. (I personally don’t agree with this, basically because I think the Sedition Act is flawed. A flawed law should not be flaunted.)

If I’m not mistaken, Tan is making this statement after what happened yesterday at the press conference that Ahmad Ismail called for, where he further reiterated his stand, and it is reported that he likened the Malaysian Chinese to American Jews.

Now. Let’s not get the Americans involved. I thought Malaysians never liked getting the Americans involved. So let’s leave them where they are.

And why bring up May 13?

In my mind, that is a veiled threat by Tan, whether or not she meant it to be one. Is she saying that she will accept no other action by the BN other than an ISA detention for Ahmad Ismail? I hope I’m wrong.

According to the same news article:

Though Gerakan has been a harsh critic of the ISA previously, Tan pointed out that since the Act has not yet been abolished, it might as well be used.

If something it wrong, you don’t use it. Period. End of story. You don’t use it and justify it “just because it’s there”.

The ISA is wrong. Nobody should be subjected to such draconian laws. And to those who think that the ISA should remain there until Pakatan Rakyat get into power so that PR can use it against the BN politicians, I say this to you: You can bet your socks that I am still going to be as vocal, if not more, if PR uses the ISA on ANYONE.

And Imtiaz had this to say:

…what Ahmad Ismail did and said are not grounds for a detention under the ISA. Nothing can be. The law is draconian, inhumane and wholly against constitutional freedoms that are central to our existence as Malaysians in a modern, democratic Malaysia.


UPDATE: This police report, as reported on the StarOnline, is more like it:

“This is criminal intimidation and such a threat should not have been uttered as reporters are only doing their job. Action should be taken against him under Section 506 of the Penal Code.– Ng Wei Aik, on Azhar Ibrahim’s statement where he said that the reporter (in the Ahmad Ismail case) should be the first to be shot if any racial tension should occur.

Section 506 of the Penal Code states:

“Whoever commits the offense of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years, or a fine, or with both; and if the threat be to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offense punishable with death or imprisonment, or with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, or impute unchastity to a woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years, or with fine, or with both.”


7 Comments on “ISA Ahmad Ismail? No way!”

  1. AhTeck says:

    so, did I miss something? or what did I miss? what’s your point(s)? Sorry…
    My point: No ISA, whatsoever.

  2. meow says:

    as i see it, many of the laws were made for some specific reason. and i do not recall when these laws when passed was challenged with all the hoohaa by anyone. maybe at that time it was felt necessary. so it gets me to wonder, if at one point in time it was needed, maybe not now, will it be required at some point in time in the future?

    a case in mind, with a multi racial county as us and race can be made to fan discontent, if someone is to incite violence on racial issues, which law do we have to stop this? or do we truly believe racial issue cannot and will not happen anymore?

    ISA was initiated during the times when communism wanted to overturn the government by force. so to use it on political individual is just not right. then again one would argue, called it ISA or Sedition or whatever you like, is a law that is to control matter from going out of hard outright wrong? Is political/legal correctness more paramount that society well being?

    It’s easy to just say we don’t like this and that but do we have something else to propose instead? Or are we just good at making non constructive comments?
    I agree that there has to be some form of law to keep peace in Malaysia.

    But when I say that I oppose the using of the ISA, I mean the using of a law that allows for indefinite detention without trial. If one has raised racial sentiments that could be detrimental to a healthy society, I’m sure there are other laws that would be more useful in this sense (Forgive me for not being able to give you a direct example, I’m not versed in law). If there isn’t a law as such, perhaps such a law could be proposed, as it allows for trial, and the presenting of proof. (I hear that there are specific laws in the UK that make it illegal to incite racial sentiments. Perhaps that could be a start)

    As for the Sedition Act, I’m not totally against it, I just think it’s flawed. Basically because the word “sedition” is not properly accounted for. Then again, perhaps my being not too well-versed in law makes me “unworthy”, so to speak, of stating exactly what should be done. But these are my points.

    The thing about these two laws are that they are too open to abuse. The word “seditious” is open to the interpretation of whoever who holds power, and the ISA is under the power of one man, and no one is even allowed to question it.

    I’m not suggesting anarchy, just suggesting that laws have check and balance.

  3. meow says:

    If I understand you correctly, you are not against the law specifically but against certain aspect of the law. In Sedition Act its just ‘flawed’, and for ISA its the indefinite detention without trial and the law is under one man. You do accept that we need ‘some’ law.

    su: Yes. We do need law. Just laws that care for human rights.

    Yet the interesting thing is you see here and elsewhere people just condeming ‘the law’ with blanket statement. And of course blaming the government for the law that is in place.

    su: It’s not about blaming the govt for the law that is in place, it is more like because the law, with all it’s disregard to human rights, is still in place BECAUSE the govt has done nothing about it. And it is also because laws as such can ONLY be invoked by the govt.

    We don’t blame the govt that there is the ISA, we blame (‘blame’ is probably the wrong word here, but can’t think of a better one at the moment) them because it is STILL here, despite them having previously stated themselves that the ISA is draconian, and because they are the only ones capable of abusing it. Who else do we penalise for the use of the ISA?

    And I would guess if they manage to be in power and do away with ‘the law’, then a ‘new law’ is passed! Isn’t that just cosmetic?

    su: Depends on what the “new law” is. If it is essentially a law that still blatantly overlooks basic human rights, then yes, it would be cosmetic, and I would imagine that most of us would be equally as vocal about it as per the ISA.

    Should we be genuinely interested in ‘the law’ we should focus our energy in commenting on the aspects of law that we feel is lacking.

    su: I believe we have.

    After all what is there in name if the purpose is the same.

    It then brings you to why all the big hoohaa on the first place. If it is not the law, then could it be just politising an issue to be seen as a champion of the people. I wonder sometimes if we feel that we are being used for some ulterior motives!

    su: I guess we never really know if we’re being “used” or not. But ultimately, I like to believe (perhaps a little naive of me, but what’s youth without naivety!) that I answer to myself at the end of the day. If in the end I have been ‘used’, but my being ‘used’ achieves a goal of forming a better society, then it might well be worth it.

  4. It seems that you are so vocal, what is your suggestion to solve the crisis that jeopardize the peace and harmony of the country?

    Mind you the United States and the United Kingdom had similar legislation too.
    You have not made it clear what crisis you are talking about, but read my reply to meow’s first comment here.

  5. Wondering says:

    This is a separate issue but I was just wondering, what happened to the murderers of May 13 1969? Many people were murdered… and were the murderers tried in court?

  6. eda says:

    Semakin hari semakin meruncing rasanya keadaan di Malaysia. Semasa 13 MEI saya masih bersekolah. Saya tidak rasa sangat keresahan yang melanda negara kerana tinggal di kampung yang beratus kilometer dari bandar KL. Tempat tinggal saya aman, tiada pergaduhan, kami boleh bergaul bebas dengan pelbagai bangsa dan bergurau dan kami boleh panggil antara satu sama lain dengan apa juga perkataan yang kami suka.

    Sekarang ni, dah tua-tua ni rasanya, semakin ramai bijak pandai, semakin huru hara negara. Masing hendak sampai ke puncak, tapi caranya menyakitkan. Yang muda-muda masih nak enjoy, pemuda-pemudai Melayu disogok dengan hiburan, tiada semangat kebangsaan langsung. Rasanya hanya pelajar-pelajat IPT di beberapa u yang mungkin tahu betul-betul perkembangan politik atau yang kabaur atau yang jadi pak turut nampak memperjuangkan hak di negara sendiri.

    Nampaknya pepatah diberi betis nak paha sedang menjalar di negara kita. Kita terlalu sangat menjaga hati orang, tidak sedar kepala kita dipijak, tidak sedar sedikit demi sedikit kita seakan-akan menumpang di negara sendiri, kita nak kemana selepas ini. Jangan diperjudi negara, jangan diperjudi bangsa kerana takut menang bersorak kampung tergadai, rakyat merempat di negara sendiri. Kita hendak kemana, kita ada Malaysia sahaja. Yang beruang boleh berhijrah, yang tiada hidup dijajahlah nampaknya. Renungkanlah

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